Thanks for spending time to focus on this debate. I just forwarded it to a co-worker whose church is going through some very difficult conversations on this exact topic. With so much context and historical evidence that can easily be missed by taking passages in isolation, I really hope your work will help open their hearts to see things the way you have presented them here. I’m so glad that ELC does view things the way we do!!!
This was so good. I never knew all of the history and reasons churches resisted putting women in leadership or why even in some situations women were to not speak into situations. Wow! So interesting! I am learning so much!
I've never had a clear understanding of these words, but you lay out the case for women in the church rather well. Your rationale makes sense! I'm thankful for the women God has placed blessing on as leaders for His Kingdom.
These are all great examples. And it clearly shows that God loves women and they have a place in the body of Christ. Women can and have prophesied, taught, and lead. This as you have pointed out is the exception and not the norm.
The Bible has a clear set of qualifications for a deacon and an elder and their positions in the body of believers. The office of deacon was developed to deal with a practical issue in the church: “So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together and said, ‘It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables’” (Acts 6:2). The word translated “wait on” is the Greek word diakonein, which comes from a word meaning “attendant, waiter, or one who ministers to another.” To “deacon” is to serve. The first deacons were a group of seven men in the Jerusalem church who were appointed to work in the daily food distribution. A deacon, therefore, is one who serves others in an official capacity in the church.
The Greek word translated “bishop” is episkopos (the source of our English word episcopal). The bishop is the superintendent, the overseer, or the officer in general charge of the congregation. In the Bible bishops are also called “elders” (1 Timothy 5:19) and “pastors” (Ephesians 4:11).
The qualifications of the bishop/elder/pastor are found in 1 Timothy 3:1–7: “Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.” Paul also instructs Timothy on the things that exemplify the teaching of a good minister. Beginning in 1 Timothy 4:11 and continuing through 6:2, Paul gives Timothy twelve things that he should “command and teach.”
The apostle Paul repeats the qualifications of a bishop/elder/pastor in his letter to Titus. “An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it” (Titus 1:6–9).
The qualifications of a deacon are similar to those of a bishop/elder/pastor. “In the same way, deacons are to be worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain. They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience. They must first be tested; and then if there is nothing against them, let them serve as deacons. In the same way, the women are to be worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything. A deacon must be faithful to his wife and must manage his children and his household well. Those who have served well gain an excellent standing and great assurance in their faith in Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 3:8–13). The word translated “deacon” in this passage is a form of the same Greek word used in Acts 6:2, so we know we are talking about the same office.
These qualifications are simple and straightforward. Both the deacon and the bishop/elder/pastor should be a male, the husband of one wife, of sterling character, and one who rules his own home in a biblical way. These qualifications also presuppose that one seeking such an office is a born-again believer and walks in submission to God’s Word. The only substantial difference between the two sets of qualifications is that the bishop/elder/pastor must be “able to teach,” whereas teaching is not mentioned as necessary for deacons.
The Lord Jesus Himself is called the “Shepherd and Overseer of your souls” (1 Peter 2:25). The titles are interesting. The word Shepherd is a translation of the Greek word poimen, translated “pastor” elsewhere (e.g., Ephesians 4:11). This poimen is someone who tends herds or flocks and is used metaphorically of Christian pastors because pastors should guide the “flock” of God and feed them the Word of God. The word translated “Overseer” is the same word, episkopos, used by the apostle Paul in 1 Timothy and Titus
I'm just the messenger, God is the author. What was left out of your examples were the specified qualifications of the leaders of the Church. Not the leader of a city, judge, or school... Church.
Hey Pastor Josh,
Thanks for spending time to focus on this debate. I just forwarded it to a co-worker whose church is going through some very difficult conversations on this exact topic. With so much context and historical evidence that can easily be missed by taking passages in isolation, I really hope your work will help open their hearts to see things the way you have presented them here. I’m so glad that ELC does view things the way we do!!!
Happy Thanksgiving,
John Helmantoler
thank you! grateful for you!
This was so good. I never knew all of the history and reasons churches resisted putting women in leadership or why even in some situations women were to not speak into situations. Wow! So interesting! I am learning so much!
I've never had a clear understanding of these words, but you lay out the case for women in the church rather well. Your rationale makes sense! I'm thankful for the women God has placed blessing on as leaders for His Kingdom.
These are all great examples. And it clearly shows that God loves women and they have a place in the body of Christ. Women can and have prophesied, taught, and lead. This as you have pointed out is the exception and not the norm.
The Bible has a clear set of qualifications for a deacon and an elder and their positions in the body of believers. The office of deacon was developed to deal with a practical issue in the church: “So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together and said, ‘It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables’” (Acts 6:2). The word translated “wait on” is the Greek word diakonein, which comes from a word meaning “attendant, waiter, or one who ministers to another.” To “deacon” is to serve. The first deacons were a group of seven men in the Jerusalem church who were appointed to work in the daily food distribution. A deacon, therefore, is one who serves others in an official capacity in the church.
The Greek word translated “bishop” is episkopos (the source of our English word episcopal). The bishop is the superintendent, the overseer, or the officer in general charge of the congregation. In the Bible bishops are also called “elders” (1 Timothy 5:19) and “pastors” (Ephesians 4:11).
The qualifications of the bishop/elder/pastor are found in 1 Timothy 3:1–7: “Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.” Paul also instructs Timothy on the things that exemplify the teaching of a good minister. Beginning in 1 Timothy 4:11 and continuing through 6:2, Paul gives Timothy twelve things that he should “command and teach.”
The apostle Paul repeats the qualifications of a bishop/elder/pastor in his letter to Titus. “An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it” (Titus 1:6–9).
The qualifications of a deacon are similar to those of a bishop/elder/pastor. “In the same way, deacons are to be worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain. They must keep hold of the deep truths of the faith with a clear conscience. They must first be tested; and then if there is nothing against them, let them serve as deacons. In the same way, the women are to be worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything. A deacon must be faithful to his wife and must manage his children and his household well. Those who have served well gain an excellent standing and great assurance in their faith in Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 3:8–13). The word translated “deacon” in this passage is a form of the same Greek word used in Acts 6:2, so we know we are talking about the same office.
These qualifications are simple and straightforward. Both the deacon and the bishop/elder/pastor should be a male, the husband of one wife, of sterling character, and one who rules his own home in a biblical way. These qualifications also presuppose that one seeking such an office is a born-again believer and walks in submission to God’s Word. The only substantial difference between the two sets of qualifications is that the bishop/elder/pastor must be “able to teach,” whereas teaching is not mentioned as necessary for deacons.
The Lord Jesus Himself is called the “Shepherd and Overseer of your souls” (1 Peter 2:25). The titles are interesting. The word Shepherd is a translation of the Greek word poimen, translated “pastor” elsewhere (e.g., Ephesians 4:11). This poimen is someone who tends herds or flocks and is used metaphorically of Christian pastors because pastors should guide the “flock” of God and feed them the Word of God. The word translated “Overseer” is the same word, episkopos, used by the apostle Paul in 1 Timothy and Titus
I'm just the messenger, God is the author. What was left out of your examples were the specified qualifications of the leaders of the Church. Not the leader of a city, judge, or school... Church.
God Bless
If I may, I would like to share an article about female leadership, in the context of the local church, namely about Febe: https://vidaemabundancia.blogspot.com/2024/06/lideranca-feminina-romanos-128-161-2.html (The article is in portuguese, but you may activate the automatic translation at the right top menu.)